Mr. Profitt, You have asked that I apologize to you. Perhaps this is not the apology that you are looking for, but I do have some things to say.

I have been called a progressive, a liberal, a professional agitator. You have been called a conservative, a Republican, a member of the Tea Party movement. Fundamentally and most importantly, you and I are both human beings. We are also both American citizens. These two facts, to me, are far more meaningful than the multitude of labels that we carry. And if these two facts are true then it means we are on the same team.

I have not been for one moment angry with you and your actions. Instead I feel thoroughly devastated. It is evident that your physical assault on me is symptomatic of the crisis that this country is struggling through. And it seems that I will heal from my injuries long before this country can work through our separation. Only when we decide let go of our hate, our violence and our aggression will we be able to communicate to each other about the issues that divide us. Right now, we are not communicating, we are stomping on each other. No one can ever win, no one can ever be heard, with violence.

You and I, as fellow citizens, and we, as a country, have a choice. Either we choose to continue the cycle of inflicting violence upon each other, screaming at each other, insulting each other and putting one another down or we and find a way to sit down and start listening to each other. We’ll see how far we get. We are all viciously and vociferously feeding a fire that will only burn us down together. We must reach inside ourselves and make space for each other. We must forgive each other. We must believe in our capacity for transformation. The moment we choose compassion and reconciliation is the moment that we will begin to move toward freedom. There is no other way.

I believe that you should be held accountable for your actions but I also recognize the incredibly negative impact that the consequences must be having on your life, and I wish you all the best as you yourself heal from this. Violence hurts everyone.

I have known for a while that right wing violence would increase just by the extremist rhetoric, claiming that left wing violence was sure to come by political blow hards such as Glenn Beck. Extremist always justify their extremism by claiming their opponents are worse. Right Wing Violence has been at all time high with progressive bloggers and activist being attacked at various conservative  meetings. I thought these were the liberty, free speech people?  Weren’t these the people who flooded into town hall meetings chanting, yelling and doing anything to disrupt the meetings? Now they receive some opposition and this is how they respond?

What does Tim Profitt want Lauren Valle to apology for? Having her head in the way of his stomping motion?

“There is no middle ground or debate when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration … rational human beings understand that being here illegally constitutes sufficient grounds for deportation.” -Frank Jorge

Frank Jorge

Frank Gorge - Socal's own CHE

Minuteman extremist leader Frank Jorge continued his assault and battery on reason today as he responded to my Signal column, “Fewer signs, more thoughts are needed,” published February 6. Jorge spoke like a typical extremist and claimed there is no middle ground or debate to solve illegal immigration issues, and that fools like myself muddy this apparently clear-cut issue. But is it a clear cut issue? Even Jorge was obviously torn and somewhat emotional at times during his 30 days living with a family of illegals on Morgan Spurlock’s mini-documentary show. Throughout the show, Jorge kept a kung-fu grip on his key defensive crutch of emphasizing America as a “land of laws.” This is particularly rich considering Jorge has advocated the vigilante killing of illegals and the assignation of political leaders, which, last I checked, is against the law. The biggest problem with using this rigid defense of legality alone is that it is a double-edged sword. Jorge lived with the undocumented family, which consisted of two undocumented parents, a few undocumented children and two children who were legal U.S. citizens. What would Jorge really propose we do about this situation? Send them all back? Even the U.S. citizens? Legally, the U.S. Constitution protects American citizens from being unlawfully exiled to another country. But Jorge claims there is no middle ground in a situation like this, which undoubtedly happens all throughout the United States.

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Mr Imhoff while you are busy running down the Minutemen and myself as being ridiculous to the point of being cartoonish you fail to note that there is no middle ground or debate when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration. Unlike yourself rational human beings understand that being here illegally constitutes sufficient grounds for deportation. If you are tired of people like myself striving to make the Federal government end the crime wave of rape, murder, and theft that has been part of the illegal alien invasion of the United States then I must submit to you that I am equally tired of fools like yourself who muddy a clear cut issue and who make it possible for the rape, and murder of our fellow citizens by the thousands at the hands of illegal aliens to continue. Nathan you’re an insufferable idiot and no nation can survive when fools like you form the majority opinion. Put down the crack pipe and get some common sense. By the way my name is Frank Jorge not Frank George.

In the end, Jorge missed the entire point of my column and complained about his beloved Minutemen being made out to be “cartoonish.” Personally, I don’t know how else to deal with these clowns except make fun of them. Frank Jorge and Roger Gitlin scraped the bottom of the barrel, from Santa Clarita to Victorville, to get a crowd of wackos to show up and do nothing but harass and threaten citizens of Santa Clarita, which we have seen from various YouTube videos like this one.

Jorge eventually blew his stack and wrote this response which was removed from The Signal’s website.  The following is quite telling as to what type of man and leader Frank Jorge really is.

Blazing left Wing Lunatic Monk

“If you don’t like what you hear I suggest you change you position. Because if you continue your extremism in Santa Clarita and I will continue to fight you every step of the way. My family is full of Veteran to fought for this country so you had to place to run to from Cuba. Don’t you dare try to give the impression that some how you love this country more then I do. You are an extremist that advocate violence against people and politician to get your way, So you can take that extremist crap right back to Cuba were it came from. You are like the second coming of CHE.”

1. I do not advocate violence. It is coming because our government is turning the USA into a hellhole.

2. I did not “run” from Cuba, we emigrated here legally two years before Castro took over.

3. Che was Argentinian, not Cuban.

4. You’re a pussy pretending to be both an American and a reasonable man.

5.You wrote:”Because if you continue your extremism in Santa Clarita and I will continue to fight you every step of the way.” Sounds like you’re a violent individual. Is this proof that you’re a vigilante? An extremist?

6. Monk you’re so far out there that I don’t doubt that you wear a dress to bake cookies and wear womens panties because it makes you feel good.

I’ve had enough interaction with you to understand that you are utterly worthless. You Monk, are a complete imbecile. Bye fool!

Frank Jorge

Click Here To Watch 30 days episode on hulu

Roger Gitlin

I have found Roger Gitlin to be much more reasonable and less militant then Frank Jorge.  However, He has yet to condemn or cut  Jorge from future minute men speaking engagements.  Gitlin wrote a response to the article published on February 6th in the Signal, while I am not going to take the time to respond to his letter directly it should be noted that Gitlin tries to provoke outrage in his followers and get them to write letters to the Signal complaining about my column.

Click Here to Read Roger Gitlin Response

Roger Gitlin’s public letter

February 9th Daily Brief SCVtalk

*UPDATE Not A Fan of Ferry

The coward behind “Not a Fan of Ferry” who is also not a fan of Logic or Reason. Put together another one of his temper tantrum videos where he snipes at everyone he doesn’t like include yours truly. Gotta love the blacked out tooth too, what no handle bar mustache?

“Political extremism involves two prime ingredients: an excessively simple diagnosis of the world’s ills, and a conviction that there are identifiable villains back of it all.” — John W. Gardner

Right or Left... they both would rather see america burn then the other be right about anything

There has been much discussion and sign making in recent days on the issue of illegal immigration in our country. One side sporting a wardrobe clad with American flags, cowboy hats and an unusually high amount of handlebar mustaches, and the other side full of disingenuous Hispanic hipster activist like Carlos Alvarez of Answerla.org[*] whose posse drove up to little Santa Clarita from Los Angeles for the photo op, then left the second the video cameras stopped rolling. I am not sure which group annoys me more. Neither side has demonstrated the willingness to deal with these immigration problems on all levels the problem occurs. They both just seem content to shout emotional nonsense and do their best to fit the Southpark stereotypes of their far leaning point of views. Can I get a high pitched, “They took our job,” anybody?

Let’s face it. The Minutemen are a scattered, unreasonable group of misfits who believe “might makes right” and the country’s problems are going to be solved with more handlebar mustaches and automatic rifles. Santa Clarita’s Minutemen are lucky enough to be led by the spunky Roger Gitlin, a teacher who defends blatant plagiarism, claims anyone who questions his methods or madness must be a “leftwing radical” and then gets a little confused when citing facts about the number of illegal immigrants when speaking to the good folks at The Signal, even though it is a topic of great interest to him. Gitlin, however, sits in second class on the crazy train when Frank Jorge comes on board. Jorge put on the infamous Jan. 16 anti-immigration rally. He was also the focus of Morgan Spurlock’s mini-documentary show 30 days immigration episode where he volunteered to live with an illegal immigrant family for 30 days and can be seen with his wife at the beginning of the show arming himself Rambo style with multiple guns, including an automatic rifle with 500 rounds of ammunition and a walkie talkie to chitchat with the boarder patrol. Jorge, a Cuban legal immigrant who came to America in 1957, is a frequent inspirational speaker for anti-immigration rallies all over the country, but he sounds more like Cuban revolutionary leader Ernesto “Che” Guevar when he said in September 2007 while giving a speech in Pennsylvania, “Maybe one of those who have had one of theirs (family member) killed by an illegal alien will utilize their second amendment right to take out the killer and in addition take out a politician that made it possible for it to occur.” Is Mr. Jorge really advocating vigilantism and political assassination as a solution?

Published in the Signal - February 6th // Fewer signs, more thoughts are needed

What I don’t understand is why Gitlin and Jorge would let passion, emotion and extremism highjack this extremely important issue. They show their unwillingness to even find a middle ground when they lean on the crutch of calling people who don’t agree with their methods and philosophy as “leftwing radicals.” Is Jorge W. Bush a leftwing radical for calling the Minutemen vigilantes and stating he is for reasonable enforcement of the law? I am sure there are many Americans on all sides of the political spectrum who feel very passionate about solving this issue and agree with much of what Gitlin and Jorge say but are repelled soon as the good ol’ boy vigilante extremism talk begins. I have yet to hear any group present a solution that fights the illegal immigration problem on all levels that it occurs.

I remember my Biblical Ethics professor asking the class, “Is it ever moral to break the law?” The students looked back at him perplexed. Why would he ask a question that was so obvious to any future fire and brimstone Baptist preacher worth his salt? One student sprung the trap and said, “No it is never moral to break the law.” The professor then asked, “So you think it was immoral for people in the southern states to help slaves escape to the north to gain their freedom?” He went on to explain that legality and morality don’t always go hand and hand, and just because something was illegal didn’t always mean it was immoral and vice versa.

The point? Yes we have illegal immigrants in our country and their presence is a fact of life. I can understand as Jorge did in the 30 days episode, why they came to this great country but I also agree that America should not suffer so they can be here. We need to find common ground, stop the “us vs. them” mentality and come up with real solutions that both allow us to stay true to our American principles and make America a stronger and greater country.

SCVtalk Forum thread about this column

February 8 Daily brief on SCVtalk